Forums - WW: Zangief vs Sagat Show all 22 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Strategy & Tactics (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=10) -- WW: Zangief vs Sagat (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=38961) Posted by Apprentice on 09:08:2001 05:53 AM: WW: Zangief vs Sagat What I'm wondering is if repeated High Tiger Shots truly lock Zangief down. From what I can tell, he can't Lariat through them (or low ones for that matter), he can't duck them, and he doesn't have enough time to successfully jump one after blocking the previous one. Is there any way around them? Of course, the merciful CPU Sagat is still beatable by letting me get in his face and landing that one crucial knockdown... -Paul, who realizes the uselessness of this thread since Vega can lock all the characters down with his Scissor Kick anyway. Posted by mad on 09:08:2001 12:58 PM: Re: WW: Zangief vs Sagat quote: Originally posted by Apprentice What I'm wondering is if repeated High Tiger Shots truly lock Zangief down. From what I can tell, he can't Lariat through them (or low ones for that matter), he can't duck them, and he doesn't have enough time to successfully jump one after blocking the previous one. Is there any way around them? Of course, the merciful CPU Sagat is still beatable by letting me get in his face and landing that one crucial knockdown... -Paul, who realizes the uselessness of this thread since Vega can lock all the characters down with his Scissor Kick anyway. who will care about the cheap cpu???this tigershot problem is fixed in sf2ce.....perhaps u should use honda against sagat,torpedo though the low tiger! Posted by Apprentice on 09:08:2001 04:03 PM: Re: Re: WW: Zangief vs Sagat quote: Originally posted by mad who will care about the cheap cpu???this tigershot problem is fixed in sf2ce.....perhaps u should use honda against sagat,torpedo though the low tiger! Actually, CPU Sagat is *not* cheap since he doesn't do anything a human player wouldn't be able to do... except pick Sagat in the first place. ^_^; He doesn't even bother with the Tiger lockdown after 4-5 Shots anyway. As for Honda flying over Low Tigers, I knew that. I was talking about Zangief here. ^_- -Paul Posted by Rolling Start on 09:08:2001 06:27 PM: Forget Sagat, try Zangief vs Vega! As far as I've found, Zangief can do NOTHING against the wall dive, none of his anti-air moves work against any of his air moves, and seeing as that's almost all the computer does, he's really hard to beat! The only good tactic that i've found is to simply knock him down (easier said than done!) and then do repeated splashes, cause he keeps trying to jump, and he'll eventually get dizied, spd, repeat. Posted by Apprentice on 09:08:2001 08:17 PM: quote: Originally posted by Rolling Start Forget Sagat, try Zangief vs Vega! As far as I've found, Zangief can do NOTHING against the wall dive, none of his anti-air moves work against any of his air moves, and seeing as that's almost all the computer does, he's really hard to beat! You have a point there. Thank goodness the CPU is stupid, though. ^_^ What I tend to do is wait for him to triangle jump, then snatch him with a max-range SPD when he lands (out of range of any jump attack). Then I do the repeat splash/j.Roundhouse thing until he's dizzied, and finally I finish him off with a simple crossup splash, c.WPx3, c.HK link combo. Or just another SPD if he's in the corner. ^_- -Paul Posted by Red Spiral on 09:08:2001 11:17 PM: What are you playing on? If you found one of those hacked SF2 machines they used to have in 7-eleven, you are dead. If you are playing on that machine, simply press the select button next to the start button to change your character to Guile or something. Posted by mad on 09:09:2001 07:43 AM: why u guy still bother with gif in ww????everybody know gif suck in sf2ww.......cos guile and sim own all! Posted by Apprentice on 09:09:2001 03:27 PM: quote: Originally posted by mad why u guy still bother with gif in ww????everybody know gif suck in sf2ww.......cos guile and sim own all! You see, I have this really bad habit of learning *every* character in a game, top-tier or not... -Paul Posted by sf2t on 09:10:2001 07:19 AM: quote: Originally posted by Apprentice You see, I have this really bad habit of learning *every* character in a game, top-tier or not... -Paul well,i dun think there is any reason to leason a low tier!stick with guile,sim. Posted by Jamerson on 09:10:2001 02:49 PM: How does Zangief suck in WW ? His SPD in WW is probably my favorite incarnation of them all, since after doing it you bounce right NEXT to your opponent, giving you a chance to cross up and tick to spd all over again. Posted by roboticus on 09:10:2001 03:01 PM: quote: Originally posted by mad why u guy still bother with gif in ww????everybody know gif suck in sf2ww.......cos guile and sim own all! Now you see Ka-Grimlock, this is what I'm talking about. Why do you even bother posting? You make baseless conclusions (i.e. you don't back your shit up), and you make baseless assumptions about games you know next to nothing about. Zangief doesn't suck. In fact, he can win if he get's one (1) spd in! That's it. Game over. Of course, a good player won't let Gief in, but mistakes can be made. The only person that maybe Gief has absolutely no chance of getting in is Dhalsim. This is really hard to do, but Geif can trade/win against Dhalsim's limbs w/s.jab (I think -- assuming Gief doesn't get in by a poorly timed fb at the beginning of the match). This s-l-o-w tactic will allow Gief to close the gap where Gief can SPD from max range, then tick-SPD his way to victory. Dhalsim has no reversal move (other than throw, but gets stuffed by s.short). Against Guile, Gief has to lariat thru sbs, and find that magic range where he stuffs the flash kick (but still eats the c.fr and possibly s.rh, s.fwd), land and SPD, tick repeat. However, Gief does have to watch out for the reversal flash kick, so mind games have to played. These strategies do not guarantee wins, in fact, probably don't increase Gief's odds for winning. They just show that Guile and Dhalsim don't win for free, and that Gief does not suck. Dale Posted by mad on 09:11:2001 09:13 AM: not!guile and sim own ww cos they had bugs to reset!!!!dun u know guile is no.1 in sf2?!?!!??!!?that u suck....everybody know guile own em all for free:< sf2 is not balance! Posted by mondu_the_fat on 09:13:2001 02:58 AM: Re: WW: Zangief vs Sagat quote: Originally posted by Apprentice What I'm wondering is if repeated High Tiger Shots truly lock Zangief down. From what I can tell, he can't Lariat through them (or low ones for that matter), he can't duck them, and he doesn't have enough time to successfully jump one after blocking the previous one. Is there any way around them? -Paul, who realizes the uselessness of this thread since Vega can lock all the characters down with his Scissor Kick anyway. The answer is a complete no. Before CE came out we hacked the WW code and allowed us to play the boss characters. There simply is no way for Zangief to get around the high Tiger Shot. Dhalsim can't win against Sagat, either, for the same reasons. And yes, the scissor kick is also a complete lockdown against characters (Vega wasn't a charge character in WW, which makes it really worse). Posted by Apprentice on 09:13:2001 04:28 AM: Re: Re: WW: Zangief vs Sagat quote: Originally posted by mondu_the_fat The answer is a complete no. Before CE came out we hacked the WW code and allowed us to play the boss characters. Interesting... I wonder if someone could possibly find and dump this alleged hacked WW and run it on Callus. Did the machine crash or something when you hit a mirror match or finish the game? quote: There simply is no way for Zangief to get around the high Tiger Shot. Dhalsim can't win against Sagat, either, for the same reasons. And yes, the scissor kick is also a complete lockdown against characters (Vega wasn't a charge character in WW, which makes it really worse). Granted, though, that Dhalsim has a marginally better chance than Zangief to achieve and maintain momentum at the beginning of a round. But once Dhalsim blocks or get hits by a Tiger Shot, he'll be just as screwed as Zangief... -Paul Posted by State of Nature on 09:13:2001 04:56 AM: I'm confused....why can't dhalsim low fierce or slide under high tigers, and drill over low ones? Posted by mad on 09:13:2001 05:01 AM: not only in ww,but also in ce,hf,ssf2 and st,bison and guile never need to charge for their move....cheap! Posted by Apprentice on 09:13:2001 05:23 AM: quote: Originally posted by State of Nature I'm confused....why can't dhalsim low fierce or slide under high tigers, and drill over low ones? Keep in mind that this is World Warrior. ^_- Low Fierce might be enough to hit Sagat once (I think it might even trade, not sure), but that will just push him to the opposite side of the screen and whip out more Tigers. Sliding from a distance won't work because even if you don't get hit during the slide's start up, you'll be snagged during its recovery by the next Tiger. The drill would be useless because it can only be done at the peak of a jump; even if you were to hit Sagat, he'll get a free reversal Tiger Uppercut. And if you manage to jump straight up over a Tiger, you'll be snagged by the next Tiger on the way down. Moral of the story: you can't let Sagat connect any Tiger Shots, blocked or not. A nigh-impossible task to be sure. -Paul Posted by mad on 09:13:2001 09:29 AM: honda own sagat from ww and so on....... Posted by mondu_the_fat on 09:14:2001 02:43 AM: Re: Re: Re: WW: Zangief vs Sagat quote: Originally posted by Apprentice Interesting... I wonder if someone could possibly find and dump this alleged hacked WW and run it on Callus. Did the machine crash or something when you hit a mirror match or finish the game? -Paul I'll go look for it. It's been a while, though, and I have no idea how emulation (like the Callus) works. No the game doesn't crash on game end. But it did occasionally (mid-combat), and the pallette is all screwed up. The Boss characters were "piped" into the other characters. That is, all the Bosses had Ryu's controls and Ryu's endings. Note that the bosses only had a handful of moves, so Bison's scissor kick was plain standing RK. WW could handle mirror matches just fine (which made me wonder why mirror matches weren't normally possible), except that all the characters used the same color scheme (really confusing). mad: what are you talking about? Posted by State of Nature on 09:14:2001 03:06 AM: quote: Originally posted by Apprentice Keep in mind that this is World Warrior. ^_- Moral of the story: you can't let Sagat connect any Tiger Shots, blocked or not. A nigh-impossible task to be sure. -Paul Cool, thanks for the 411. WW isn't really my game, I don't really understand the intricacies of it that well. Cheers Posted by Apprentice on 09:14:2001 04:52 AM: quote: Originally posted by State of Nature Cool, thanks for the 411. WW isn't really my game, I don't really understand the intricacies of it that well. Cheers Glad to be of help. If only more people would abide by the Golden Rule... -Paul Posted by akiman on 09:14:2001 05:08 AM: ww sux All times are GMT. The time now is 11:24 PM. 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